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Giles Nelson

Chris - perhaps what you're saying is that we need a different type of bank to manage our payments (I'm thinking as a consumer, but the convenience could extend to business too). One that is very consumer friendly, modern and innovative. Not the stodgy, bricks & mortar organisations that currently dominate payments. This bank would allow very cheap, reliable, secure payments (and micro-payments) to be made using a wide variety of different methods. Something that really fitted the 21st century.

Perhaps Paypal will evolve to become this type of bank.

Chris Skinner

Correct Giles

I think a whole raft of new intermediaries to money will arise over the next decade ... the question is whether they are a layer on top of traditional banking services, or a substitute for banks.

Chris

Petervan

The strength of Paypal is in its API's. If you look a bit closely to it, they carry the embryo of a messaging system that can be used for anything. Not just consumer payments. Already now with fork- and chain-payments. They indeed move up the value chain, and may soon attack the "plumbing" of the underlying payment systems. They are indeed typical example of Innovator's dilemma. But they are not a start-up anymore. Same effect as Salesforce: a 10 eyar old company with revenues now in the billions. They are crossing the chasm?

Thomas Barker

Consumers certainly are going to abandon conventional accounts. We only value ease-of-use and cheapness. Frankly, if Tesco Bank stays open after 6pm - it can have my current account?

Business banking is going to be very different. Businesses funnel payments through their bank account to gain credit. With more information on your transactions, the bank can feel more comfortable granting you credit. If you're a SME, those bank credit lines are important to your survival.

If I choose to funnel my businesses accounting through PayPal for Enterprises, what happens to that credit?

A) I can get better funding from commercial lenders hooked into PayPal's API. These lenders get the same information as a bank, and their risk assessment turns out to be better.

B) PayPay won't do overdrafts, forcing me to weigh its benefits against increased funding costs.

Option A is only possibly if PayPal do a really nice API, and huge variety of people use it.

twitter.com/dgwbirch

Check out the new PayPal application on the iPhone with Bump integrated -- very cool!

Matthew Collier

Chris, until PayPal shake off their dodgy past, become a "proper" bank, agree to getting banking licences in the main territories that they want to do business in, and stop screwing the "little people" over, with little or no comeback (Google is your friend), then I can't see them gaining the reputation and trust they will need to become a real player.

This side to the company, always seemes to be ignored or glossed over in your blogs, and is something, I think you need to address.

Chris Skinner

Interesting comment Matthew

Do you have any evidence of this 'dodgy past', e.g. I've lost money on PayPal when I thought I was insured, but small print says that this is days-limited.

And no, I'm not blindly in love with PayPal, e.g.
http://www.screw-paypal.com/international_pages/australia.html

They have had a lot issues in Oz due to poor business practices.

Chris

Pragmatist

We should be under no illusion that ultimately each individual owns the 'last mile' to his or her door.

Chris Skinner

I live in London Simon, so I only own the last half a metre ...

Andrew Muir

Just as a matter of interest, does anyone know what the paypal business model is? I realise it charges lots for withdrawals from paypal accounts and that there is a considerable float (which earns little on the overnight market, I assume?) - is that it? Or is it earning merchant fees in some way?

If the majority of its income is from withdrawal charges, its growth is presumably under threat, either from competition or from the very domination which everyone's worried about.

It would now be interesting to see Metro or Tesco launching an auction brand with full-fat banking (inc funding) in the package. Ahh - we can but dream...

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