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Al

Sex and money? Nice, neat and simple, but it doesn't tell the whole story. A theory that explains the base motivations has to take into account other needs. People who have been starved dream of chocolates and cakes and bread, people dying of thirst dream of cool water, and people living in danger dream of safety. Lonely people may dream of friends and close relationships and childless people may dream of families. You also need to explain suicides which occurs (with some people) despite the presence of money and sex in their lives.

Chris Skinner

Hey Al

We could get into Maslow's hierarchy of needs and the whole self-fulfilment and ego thing here. The point being, if you ain't got money then food and shelter are the highest priorities. But if you have got money, you can indulge in a hedonistic lifestyle where those who starve, are dying, are in danger, are lonely just don't matter because you can be the biggest narcissistic f-up in the world.

Money and indulgence are the name of the game here.

Chris

Al

TFA: "Money and sex are the twin engines powering everything we do, and banks and bankers control money and therefore have a critical role to play in whether we are saints or sinners."

My response to the above is nothing to do with Maslow etc unless you go for that self-fulfilment stuff (which I don't, hence mentioning suicides) so thanks for putting words into my mouth. Don't do it. My point was that money and sex are just two motivations in life and to base a series of articles upon this assumption is always going to draw incorrect conclusions. Other motivations will play a role in people's decisions about what to do with their life.

The comment, "if you ain't got money then food and shelter are the highest priorities" contradicts, doesn't it? I guess I don't completely understand what is being said here. As far as I can make out, money and sex are the "name of the game" unless they're not. Is that what is being said here?

Chris Skinner

Al

Not sure where you're coming from and, if you took offence at my putting words in your post, then express yourself better.

My premise is that the base need for money is to indulge in an appetite for things you are prohibited from if you have not got it: lust, envy, pride, gluttony, greed, sloth and anger are all pivotally based around whether you have or have not got money.

The core drivers: money and sex, is based around my previous post, e.g. that money was invented to fuel the oldest profession.

Your comment therefore on this post is actually about the previous one.

Equally, this series is not premised upon money and sex being the only two motivations in life, but being very strong influences as they go hand-in-hand and were the reason why money was created in the first place.

The point I have moved on to here is not about money and sex, but about money being used to make society civilised. The sex part is critical in controlling our behaviours, but money is far more about stopping anarchy and creating order, which is the area explored in this post in a wider sense.

Chris

Raghavan

I agree with you Chris.

In a earlier study during the recent global financial turmoil, I have found

1.Greediness to a greater extent put our bankers in misery
2.Failure to learn the lessons throughout their journey brought them ignominy
3.Failure to live up to their role of a trustee put them in disaster
4.Their arrogance and lack of humility led them to their present status

I shared these findings in my blog:

http://blogs.siliconindia.com/guru_raghavan/The_lessons_one_has_to_learn_from_markets_these_days-bid-rhF4230a15741666.html

Shahzad Akhund

Referring back to my comment on the first part in this series, I strongly feel that bankers, just like other professionals, serve an important sector of our society,and as such, are an integral part of it. However, apply the famous phrase, 'money corrupts, power corrupts absolutely', to the equation, and you realize an urgent need to regulate the industry effectively and transparently.
Regards

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